Continuing our conversation on A.N Whitehead and materialism (here) Matt Segall writes:
“Part of why I find Whitehead’s “panprehensionism” to be such an important contribution to metaphysics is that I have not found any way of explaining the “emergence” of feeling, or sentience, or mind out of otherwise dead, insensate stuff.”I think that is exactly the problem with most arguments against materialist philosophies. What contemporary materialist would argue that matter-energy is “dead, insensate stuff”?
For example, Levi Bryant (see here and here) and I share the view that all objects and all materials are active systems. In fact, for many of us ‘to be’ is precisely ‘to act’, or to be active, alive and expressive. An ‘object’ is characterized by what it can do, its capacities or powers. Even the most basic materials are assemblages of energetic, moving, vibrating systems (cf. string theory). This is what I refer to when I use the term potency. All materials are complex assemblages of potency. Matter is in no way “dead”.
The interesting issue here is that potent materials can take on emergent properties as they become more complex (through catalytic reactions, complementary powers as combining in such a way as to enhance or emphasize each other's qualities, amplifications of capacity, etc). In this view it is not difficult to image how micro potencies could be organized into macro complexes of sensitive operation. Like Whitehead I share the idea that the cosmos is inherently sensate or potent. But ‘experience’ and sentience are emergent features of compounded and complexified potencies arranged and evolved in particular ways, and not present from the start.
This could lead me to talk about Merleau-Ponty’s notion of flesh as describing the elemental sensuality and tangibility of reality, but I’ll leave that for now. (see here)
Matt continues:
"As Deacon put it himself, not only do we not have a theory for how sentience might emerge from dead matter, we don’t even have an understanding of what such a theory might involve. His work in Incomplete Nature is an attempt to explain the emergence of form, not so much feeling or consciousness.”At the very least I think it will entail giving up the notion that matter is “dead”. In fact nothing in this cosmos is dead. Compositions come and they go, and matter and energy are arranged, implicated and evolve then decomposed and re-implicated. But nowhere do we find completely impotent materials. I believe understanding how this is so is the fundamental insight necessary for enacting truly ecological thoughts and action.
Matt writes:
"Whitehead doesn’t think we can explain feeling by offering some theory about it, since feeling (like value) is simply a fundamental fact about the way things are. The reality of feeling is the condition of the possibility of explanation and so cannot itself be explained.”I disagree. I think you are right to imply that the condition for the possibility of explanation is that feeling exists, but this in no way means that we cannot (or should not) explain historically and in detail how rudimentary sensitivities evolved into the capacity for cognition , speech or explanation. The fact that we live in a cosmos of active influence and causal potency should not necessary lead us to conclude that those primal vibrancies should be characterized as anything like “experience” or sentience or feeling in the original sense of these terms. Sentience and experience are emergent capacities and we should not assume their existence prior to their advent, in the same way a bird’s emergent ability to sing shouldn’t lead us to argue that atoms or individual molecules have an inherent capacity for song.
Matt writes:
"Whitehead’s panprehensionism is a direct consequence of his process ontology. There are no bits of dead material existing at an instant in his cosmos. There are durations, aka actual occasions, which, since they exist as temporally thick moments (remembering the past as they anticipate the future) are necessarily experiential. Experience is not the same as “mind,” for Whitehead, but rather the most basic form of temporal existence.”Again, I think one of my main issues with Whitehead is his terminology. I can’t get past the way he anthropomorphizes the cosmos. Even if his ontology is in many respects close to the kind of story I want to tell about reality (e.g., occasions of emergent forms of potency), his discourse seems very misguided. I can’t imagine why we would argue that a hydrogen atom “remembers” or “anticipates”? There has got to be a better, non-mentalistic way to describe the interactions between non-sentient complexes?
Whitehead seems to build in the role of consciousness from the start as a way to explain its latter elaboration in humans without, in my limited opinion, taking care to address the particularities (onto-specificities) of its emergence. “Mind” emerged from primordial processes not the other way around. And saying that experience is everywhere seems to me the same as saying experience is nowhere. It just doesn’t explain. Whereas, for me, the term “experience” refers to a particular kind of operation and not a general property and so must be reserved for entities with the capacity for recursion and some kind of memory. I find the term potency is better suited to constructing a more nuanced description since it signals a primal property rather than a bio-specific operation.
Disclaimer: To be sure, my understanding of Whitehead's whole system is less than adequate to the task of critique in any meaningful way. Many of my issues with his work have to do with what I perceive to be his most general claims as well as his terminology. At this point I guess I could simply say that his philosophy just doesn't seem to resonate with me. Oh well.
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Levi Bryant writes:
"Here the distinction between verb and noun is collapsed, such that the noun becomes a verb and the verb a noun. To exist is to act, to be set in motion in a particular way, to drive, and to stir up. Objects are no longer to be thought as substances in which predicates inhere, but rather as “objectiles” or “ob-jects”, that unfold in duration like a blooming flower. The term “objectile” should be read as a sort of portmanteau word like “projectile”, evoking the sense of ob-jects as events or verbs, unfoldings (ex-plications) of what is in-folded (im-plications), standing-forth from a ground against which the event makes or announces a difference. Generally we oppose space and time to one another. Yet if objectiles are verbs or events, then it becomes clear that the ob-ject must be a spatio-temporal dynamism rather than a substance that maintains its identity in space, moving from position to position."
http://larvalsubjects.wordpress.com/2008/12/21/objectile-and-agere/
Michael,
Endless wheel of repetition. I'd still say that you are disagreeing with the specific words, but not the concepts. We could use different words and the concepts would not change. You might have a real difference here, but I do not see an articulation of one.
Given the redefinition of, e.g., "experience," just plug in the new denotation and argue against that. That is how this conversation will proceed productively.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Xwl3_o9uo64
Jason,
That’s not how I see it. Terminology evokes certain semantic associations and effects communicability and reception of intent. Terms are conceptual devices which activate meaning. If WH didn’t mean to imply that molecules are capable of having experience then he should not have employed the term.
However, for the sake of discussion, let us replace the word “experience” in WH with ‘X’, and then permit me to ask you (or Matt or Adam) what type of general activity or capacity does WH refer to when he says all actual occasions involve ‘X’ at every scale? Prehension? Then in what way does a molecule “grasp”, “seize” or “understand” another molecule? And what value does WH metaphysics add above and beyond how organic chemists describe the situation or process?
Isn’t it reasonable to suggest that we reserve the term “experience” for cognizing agents with recursion?
If we can agree that X is a ubiquitous feature of reality regardless of the term being used - thus completely detaching this term from its convention meaning and associations - then problem solved.
Maybe what I call potency is what WH calls prehension?
To be clear, I would however apply the term "experience" as a capacity most biological entities have, not just humans. The main issue for me would be that the entity would have a central nervous system and be capable of recursion and some sort of memory.
perhaps even a plant has experience, but not germ, and not water, and not rocks, and not an atom.
Michael,
Thanks for the response.
I think Jason may be right, that we are struggling over a terminological issue here rather than a conceptual disagreement.
I'll try and throw up some reflections on later this evening, with an eye towards clearing up the terms.
What seems to be missing in this conversation is the huge debt we owe Whitehead for being way ahead of the curve when it came to re-thinking what realism means. It sounds almost spoiled when you assault him the way you do, whilst at the same time deploying a worldview Whitehead, more than practically anybody else in the 20th century, helped to make part of our ontological imagination. You might not like that, but it's true. Maybe you should, I dunno, read the books first.
Adam,
Speaking for myself, what you say may be so for some, but I'm arguing from a Peirce-Deweyan perscpetive, and could say the same for Whitehead that you say of us. Yes, Whitehead is an advancement in many ways over Peirce, but then most of his advances are in metaphysics and not the phenomenology and semiotics that is my own actual work. That is why I don't refer to Whitehead too much, because I'm not actually drawing upon his work, but on his contemporaries. I don't presume to be more than familiar with Whitehead, but then I did go to graduate school surrounded by Whiteheadians among others. Don't drink the water....
Sorry, I don't think I was clear in my last comment. There's actually a lot going on during that time period in addition to Whitehead, but he gets all the press, in part because he was most adopted by continentals. I just got a little twitchy, since he seems to dominate the conversation while not being the only game in town. Ya know, we should talk more Royce.... wait ... he bored the hell out of me so I forgot most of it. ;P
Adam, I have read some of his work, but admittedly not enough. And I owe him absolutely nothing. My realism comes from Darwin and Marx as much as from my own thinking as a being-in-the-world. But considering your tone here I think it prudent for me to now stop talking about him altogether. Period.
Last comment: Levi Bryant has presumably read the books and has this to say about Whitehead:
“I always feel that Whitehead comes with too much baggage to be of much use: his understanding of teleology, eternal objects, and God are just not things that fit within the sort of materialist framework I advocate. For this reason I find it far better to follow in the path of thinkers like Deleuze and Guattari and DeLanda. None of this is to say that I entirely abandon Whitehead. I find much of value in him. I just think that there are a lot of problematic elements in his thought.”
http://larvalsubjects.wordpress.com/2012/05/02/hume-operational-closure-and-monad-oriented-ontology/#comment-128644
I definitely need to read more of both Pierce and Dewey though...
Interestingly, I have just read a bunch of pages from "Process-Relational Philosophy: An Introduction to Alfred North Whitehead" by C. Robert Mesle online (thanks Matt!) and I now believe my hang-ups about WH's terminology are preventing me from gaining a deeper understanding of what Whitehead was trying to do with his work. It seems I could easily switch his term "experience" for 'dynamic structurality' and then agree with much more of his ideas than I have so far..?
Michael,
Just a note that I realize my last response to you was a bit stilted; I almost regret posting it! But I am working on a longer essay about the Romantic influence on Whitehead (he read Wordsworth's The Prelude religiously) that will address in more depth many of the issues we've been discussing these last few weeks, especially the issue of subjectivity in nature.
-Matt
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